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Post by Golan Klinger on Feb 23, 2007 4:39:23 GMT -5
Have you considered just using CGTerm? It would be a heck of a lot easier and the experience is virtually indistinguishable (no pun intended). |
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Post by Jeff Ledger on Feb 23, 2007 9:14:20 GMT -5
CGterm is design for both TCP/ip & Serial Port use??? Hmm.. Perhaps I missed something.. Jim got me thinking.. maybe this product would be an even cheaper solution.. I'll have to try it today. GPSGate - franson.com/gpsgate/Jeff |
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Post by Jeff Ledger on Feb 23, 2007 9:15:16 GMT -5
virtually indistinguishable Groan....  |
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Post by Golan Klinger on Feb 23, 2007 11:05:48 GMT -5
CGterm is design for both TCP/ip & Serial Port use??? No, it isn't. It can be made to work with a real modem though. I spent about five minutes thinking about adding dialup capability to CGTerm and then decided that since it is basically just a telnet client it would be much easier to use it to connect to a port on my localhost and patch the traffic back and forth to a modem. It sounds complicated but with UNIX such feats are relatively easy because all the software has already been written. One just needs to figure out how to make programs talk to one another. Anyway, I spent a few hours making it work (mostly) before realizing that it would be much simpler to use VICE. It took < 2 minutes to make that work. I'm guilty of that overthinking that Brain was talking about.  Anyway... What I meant was that brotherbryce could use CGTerm to connect to a telnet BBS running Color 64 because he wrote, "I really am dying to see Color 64 in all its original glory". I was worried that he was going to get frustrated with all our chattering and say to heck with the whole thing. I'm afraid this thread has mutated so much that it really isn't all that useful anymore. It would appear that in addition to overthinking, I'm guilty of thread hijacking. I want to apologize to brotherbryce for that. |
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Post by Jeff Ledger on Feb 23, 2007 13:43:03 GMT -5
Ah... Whats a little thread hijacking among friends??.. Shall we dump this thread and start two new ones? |
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Post by 65coupei6 on Feb 23, 2007 15:38:20 GMT -5
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Post by wiskow on Feb 23, 2007 20:12:20 GMT -5
What I meant was that brotherbryce could use CGTerm to connect to a telnet BBS running Color 64 because he wrote, "I really am dying to see Color 64 in all its original glory. He could do that... Too bad no one running a Telnet BBS is using an "original" version of Color 64, like I am... A few using the hacked Color 64 v8, and a couple more using Centipede... neither of which I really care for...  I have faith that Jim and I will get this figured out... and Cottonwood BBS *will* be accessable via both dial-up *and* Telnet. At that point, you'd be able to use CGTerm with no problem to connect through the Telnet route. -Andrew ___________________________________ Cottonwood BBS +1 (951) 242-3593 Open 24/7 at 300/1200/2400 baud hometown.aol.com/cottonwoodbbs |
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Post by brotherbryce on Feb 24, 2007 4:08:46 GMT -5
No no no I'm not giving up. Just tired and busy last couple of days.... and trying to choose between a ZILLION versions of Linux that I'd like to install. Anyone here got a preference (and why?). I'm convinced Linux probably has the best of what I need to get onto Commie boards anyways, but I'm at that proverbial crossroads. Sell my soul to Bill Gates so I can proclaim throughout the land that Vista is King? or... do what I've been yammering on about for years and actually make the transition to Linux. So last month I installed Freespire. Unfortunately, before I could learn what wonderful things Linux could do for my Commodore emu projects, I had to destroy it in order to retrieve about 3 gigs of irreplacable "My Documents" folder which had accidentally gotten deleted. Thousands of family photos, legal documents (some of which are still scrambled) and more got nuked, and I hadda do something, so I found out how to recover deleted files, but the cost was high. I had to self-destruct the partition, essentially recovering every file that had ever been deleted. Linux had a bad hair day.
How's THAT for off-topic?
Anyways my days with Windows are numbered. Since it only takes 10 minutes to set up FreeSpire (and only about 16 hours to get your video drivers working right), I'll be considering FreeSpire again. But since the partition is already brain-dead, I thought I'd give thought to some other versions. Currently I'm downloading the 3.4 gig Ubuntu 6.10 Live DVD-ROM. I've also got Xubuntu, and thinking about others.
Okay, now I've really got to go to bed.
I appreciate you folks putting so much thought into this. You're using a bunch of tools I have no familiarity with. I'm sure I'll learn it shortly, but for now I thank you for putting up with me.
-BrotherBryce
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Post by gmoon on Feb 24, 2007 10:04:35 GMT -5
I wouldn't recommend repartitioning ANY hard drive (Windows or Linux), unless you don't care about the data. And if you're not familiar with Linux partition naming (hda2, sda1, etc..), prepare for tragedy... Especially if you're trying to resize--even overwriting existing partitions can be bad, if you mistakenly type the wrong number (like hda1 instead of hda2.)
At this point, I either completely retarget older computers for Linux, or I install a removable drive tray (a drive tray with an extra tray can be had for 10 or $12 USD.) For years I used dual-boot systems--I never got bitten, but I'll NEVER do it again. Reinstalling all the software necessary for a business is too much work.
IMHO Ubuntu is a very good distro--and it's deb repositories are much more current than Debian (which it is based upon) and I've used quite a few different distros. Ubuntu is more of a minivan than a sports car, but that's just fine...
Xubuntu is great for older machines--in fact I have that installed on my bench downstairs, beside the DTV. Works well for all the AVR programming. Xubuntu had been criticized recently, as it's becoming a bit too Gnome-like and consequently top heavy...
I should also interject--we put Xubuntu on our old laptop and my wife loves it, she took to it immediately! (You have know idea how amazed I was... I'm not dissing women & technology, she's just a creature of habit.)
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Post by expertsetup on Feb 24, 2007 11:08:08 GMT -5
Right now I only have one Linux machine at home and it's my server. I have been working at getting Linux on my laptops but have had some trouble with my Wifi card which is old and not well supported. At work I have a few more Linux machines, I use Kubuntu for my preferred Distro as KDE is my favorite desktop environment. I have also installed Knoppix on a lot of machines as it defaults to KDE. I think Kubuntu, Ubuntu or Xubuntu would all be a great choice. I really don't care for the Gnome desktop but haven't used it as a desktop since Redhat 7 so I should really give it another chance. I have also setup a Knoppix HDD CD install which is where you park the CD files on a folder on your windows drive and boot from there. A lot faster than the CDROM version but still rather static as the system is a CD image so to speak. This is really interesting, I hope to start tinkering with these micro controllers. Can you recommend a programmer for the AVR series? I have a Willem PCB3 enhanced but I think I will need something more specific for the AVRs? brotherbryce, I'm going to do a 'Blow N Go' on my laptop today with Kubuntu. 'Blo N Go' is the term I use at work for repartition and reinstall of an O.S. My machine is an older Win2k laptop but I have had it with the limited functionality in WinVice. I will let you know how long it takes and how smooth it goes. It's an older laptop so most items will integrate well. Well, off I go to image my current install and then install Linux. Now I can be more compatible with all my Mac&Unix friends. |
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Post by brotherbryce on Feb 24, 2007 11:22:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't recommend repartitioning ANY hard drive (Windows or Linux), unless you don't care about the data. And if you're not familiar with Linux partition naming (hda2, sda1, etc..), prepare for tragedy... Well, I'm a pretty savvy character. I didn't have any trouble with that whole repartitioning thing. I've been a PC tech for years. Really, I didn't have any problems at all adjusting to a Linux/Windows dual-boot system. The only trouble came when I was using Krusader (which I still love, btw) to do some housekeeping on one of my drives and I accidentally clicked on the wrong thing before I clicked the DELETE button. This is how I found out that Krusader doesn't use the trash can (recycle bin for you windows users). So nothing I had deleted could be restored simply by looking it up in there. Anyway, the heartache is over. I'm back in "Let's go LINUX" mode again. I think I am going to go with the more robust Ubuntu. Sounds like that's the family everyone's recommending anyway. Knoppix would probably be great for my laptop in the back room, or maybe Xubuntu. This one's my main (I DO EVERYTHING ON IT) PC, so I'll have all the trimmings here. -BrotherBryce PS: See you on the "X" side |
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Post by gmoon on Feb 24, 2007 12:03:21 GMT -5
Well, I'm a pretty savvy character. I didn't have any trouble with that whole repartitioning thing. I've been a PC tech for years. Really, I didn't have any problems at all adjusting to a Linux/Windows dual-boot system. The only trouble came when I was using Krusader (which I still love, btw) to do some housekeeping on one of my drives and I accidentally clicked on the wrong thing before I clicked the DELETE button. This is how I found out that Krusader doesn't use the trash can (recycle bin for you windows users). Apologies then--you're likely more comfortable with the whole partitioning thing (especially the resizing, which is like voodoo) than I am... From your previous post it sounded like an Linux problem, but it's really more of an application issue, eh? (in this case a window manager app.) Anyway, with your experience you'll be Linux-savvy in no time. This is really interesting, I hope to start tinkering with these micro controllers. Can you recommend a programmer for the AVR series? I have a Willem PCB3 enhanced but I think I will need something more specific for the AVRs? This got me started: www.linuxfocus.org/English/November2004/article352.shtmlIf you go 'on the cheap' like me, you don't need a dev board, just a working par port and a simple DAPA cable (instructions on Guido's page above.) It's ISP (In-System Programmer) programming, nothing fancy like JTAG. All the software is available in Ubuntu repositories, you don't need to compile (unless you're a bleeding-edge guy.) I normally use 'Synaptic' for installing the DEBs, just search for AVR and install what you need. The article uses UISP for programming the AVRs--that's depreciated, but AVRDUDE is in the repository. -------- Gotta admit, I prefer KDE over Gnome also. Funny though--I love the GTK, wouldn't touch QT for any development myself...
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Post by cube on Feb 24, 2007 12:50:09 GMT -5
At this point I feel I have to throw in a plug for my favorite Distro, one I've used and watch grow and mature for many years: Fedora Core. Originally, it started out as Red Hat, and I began using it with version 6.2 on a 486DX2/66 with 32 Mb Ram and a three drive combined total of 700 megs. I just wanted to see what all the hype was about, and the 486 was the only 'spare' computer I had at the time, but I fell in love after I noticed how even on such meager resources it BLEW my Win2K-AS server out of the water, running on a PII that overshadowed the little computer in every aspect of hardware yet dwarfed it in terms of performance. Soon Red Hat began to replace Windows on almost every computer I owned, and I've been loving it ever since.
Red Hat 'officially' stopped it's line of desktop operating system packages after Red Hat 9, which then gave birth through some internal restructuring to Fedora Core. Through the first couple of releases you could still see many 'Red Hat' references (and to this day, it is still developed under the wing of Red Hat though by a much broader community.) The current release consumes much of the free space of a DVD-Rom or 5 CD's, is easy to install, configures itself for most hardware automatically (at least from what I've experienced on a variety of desktop and laptop computers) and is bundled with a plethora of software to this day I have not fully explored. Comes with a number of window managers, Gnome and KDE of course, plus a few more lightweight ones. Switching between them is easy too, so if you want to try one or the other, you don't have to choose. I could talk good about Fedora all day, and I realize this post is already beginning to ramble, so instead I will simply point out the bad so you can see if any of the cons would affect your situation:
- ENTIRELY OPEN SOURCE BASED OPERATING SYSTEM
How is that a con? Well, since many of the codecs used for multimedia, even the mp3, is not GPL'd, they are not included in a default installation. Same thing with many of the video codecs. In short, most of the multimedia applications that come with Fedora are crippled out of the box as you have to go searching for codec packs from other repositories in order to get it to play mp3's and videos. This is easy to do, and takes a minute or two to install, but it is still a nuissance.
- Some printers, particularly 'win'-printers, simply will NOT work. Closed source drivers supplied to Windows only, no help from the manufacturer, much easier to go buy a new printer.
- Wireless support is virtually non-existant out of the box, again mostly due to driver licensing issues. The applications to configure and interface with cards is there, but unlike most every other type of hardware, plugging it in does not make it work. Third party software is almost always needed to get a card connected, but can be done.
Other than that, it is great. I have it on two Thinkpads, a Dell C400, a slew of desktop and server PC's (Including a dual processor (not dual core) server - runs great on all systems. Reading over the cons they're more of a nuissance than prohibitors.
There you have another straw to hold in the fist. I'm not about to make any claims of It's the best! but it has served me well for many years.
John
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Post by Jim Brain on Feb 24, 2007 15:53:20 GMT -5
the Brain server room has 2 Fedora Core 4 installations (one ran QLink for a while, before we moved it to an actual server). They handle printing, email, web traffic (www.jimbrain.com) and file storage (samba).
However, for lightweight C64 use as a dedicated server, I also recommend Slackware. It's a minimal distro. SL9 runs on 486SX class boxes, which should be but a dumpster dive away. It can be used to run things like tcpser, netcat, screen, all of the text-based apps, etc.
Jim
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Post by Golan Klinger on Feb 24, 2007 21:17:42 GMT -5
Could we possibly mutate this thread any farther off topic? I'm allergic to cats. Anyone else? BTW, since nobody else has said it, I will: FreeBSD! |
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