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Post by Jeff Ledger on Feb 24, 2007 22:18:34 GMT -5
Temporal Vortex and the my CML dev box are both Slackware boxes.
As Jim stated, Slackware is great for text/net apps. While it does have X, it's not entirely focused that direction. It's only drawback being that installing new software is download source and compile. Good for Linux purists, but certainly not as easy as Redhat package or Debian alternatives.
What were we talking about here?
Jeff
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Post by brotherbryce on Feb 25, 2007 9:56:52 GMT -5
Well folks,
After MUCH mind-numbing head pounding, I've finally gotten Ubuntu running. Unfortunately, it seems 6.10 is entirely incompatible with my computer (won't even live boot off the CD) but 6.06 will work. However, I still have yet to figure out how to get the wireless working. I keep enabling it, and it keeps disabling it. And the HELP button is no HELP either. In fact, it shows a completely different Network Settings program from the one provided with 6.06, so I suspect the help file is totally out-of-date. Oh well. If I can't get it running I'll simply switch back to Freespire. At least that worked.
-Bryce
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Post by gmoon on Feb 25, 2007 11:43:42 GMT -5
Bryce: I had to use the 'alternate installation' cd for my laptop. Can't help you with the wireless, tho--we're hardwired here.
Another vote for Slack here; also use it for servers. It is (or was) a bear to setup MySQL, but it can be done  . It's still the only major distro that doesn't use sysV init, just standard scripts, so it's very hackable. |
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Post by expertsetup on Feb 25, 2007 12:16:16 GMT -5
Well I'm back... This time my laptop is running Kubuntu 6.10. So far all is well. I plan to look into the Slackware distro for the more modest machines that I will use for servers. Thanks for the tip there guys!
The only snafu I experienced with the 6.10 Kubuntu install was that it never asked me for a root password during install. However when I went to login as root to do some maintenance I was unable! This is a silly situation that prevented me from doing what I wanted with my machine. So to fix it I had to boot with a Knoppix CD, remount the hard drive in read/write mode. I was then able to open the /etc/shadow file with VI and whack the password. On reboot I was able to login to root and set MY own password.
What a strange default behavior for a major distro....
However all is great now...
BrotherBryce I have not been able to get Wifi working under Linux so far. I wish I could help a bit with that. Perhapps if you boot with a Knoppix CD it might auto config your Wifi adapter. If you can get it to work with Knoppix then you should be able to get it to work with Ubuntu.
It's interesting that Linspire was able to properly configure your Wifi. Isn't Linspire the new version of Lindows after they had to change their name?
Well off I go to do some updates...
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Post by brotherbryce on Feb 25, 2007 18:35:11 GMT -5
Yeah I found that interesting as well, but I wonder if it's something to do with the difference in desktops. I'm not using the 100% OSS version of Freespire, it actually comes with a huge fleet of licensed drivers. That might be the difference. I dunno what Ubuntu does that's so different.
I did try to run Kubuntu and Xubuntu 6.10. Neither one would work. I think my computer just doesn't like whatever kernel they're using with 6.10. I dunno.
If there's someone out there who's done this, please let me know.
I think we should rename this thread to "Off Topic is On Topic"
-Bryce
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Post by gmoon on Feb 25, 2007 19:46:42 GMT -5
However when I went to login as root to do some maintenance I was unable! The main difference between Ubuntu and other Linux distros is there effectively ISN'T a root account. You just supply a username/password for a main or 'adminstrative' user. All root-level access is done with sudo (most of the administrative programs in the menu are started with a sudo wrapper.) This isn't as crazy as it sounds. Since you are prompted for your password (same one you login with) before doing any root stuff, you're not likely to forget you are root and make a bonehead error. Not so convenient for a commercial sysop, sure (but Ubuntu isn't first choice for power users, anyway.) The last time I installed Redhat (obviously some time ago  ), they warn you during installation to login as root as little as possible, lest you break something. Which I have done, BTW. So I've been in the habit of using 'su' for a while... |
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Post by brotherbryce on Feb 26, 2007 0:39:36 GMT -5
The main difference between Ubuntu and other Linux distros is there effectively ISN'T a root account. You just supply a username/password..........they warn you during installation to login as root as little as possible, lest you break something. Which I have done, BTW. So I've been in the habit of using 'su' for a while... Yeah, I guess I did notice that. Not having enough experience so far with Linux, I just thought that I'd have to add a root account, but you're right, I was able to do some pretty drastic stuff with it just the way it was, not logged in as root. As far as doing damage goes, I pretty much beat the tar out of my systems anyway, Windows, Linux, Commodore or otherwise. So it won't be out of the ordinary for me to wreck it several times. I'm constantly in search of challenging new frontiers in computer rescue. I guess I experiment on my own system so that when I go over to a friend's house to fix theirs, it's pretty obvious to them that I've got more experience than the average bear with troubleshooting. I think I get bored when there's nothing left to fix, so maybe I deliberately screw things up? So as to further our off-topic topic I shall now impart a bit of irony. My wife bought a new set of boots. She wanted to treat them with some weatherproofing spray. I just knew it was in the garage, so I went out there. I didn't ever find the spray in the garage. But I did find several misc items I'd been looking for, and a couple that I wasn't looking for at all. Like another C64 computer, in perfect working order, and a 1541 with device switches installed on the front, and an ACTUAL Hayes 2400 fax modem (the kind that looks like an oversized plug-in power supply that just plugs right into the wall electric socket, and then into a serial port (along with a serial/rs232 cable for the 64), and again, I have no land line to plug a traditional modem into. SO I'm still looking for the spray, right? I keep looking, and then remember that when I cleaned out the garage, I put all the camp gear out on the back deck in waterproof totes. Okay so I close up the garage, and start opening totes out on the deck. The first one I open doesn't have camp gear in it. Guess what, it's got ANOTHER C64 in it!! This one was a 64C, and it even has the original COMMODORE BRAND hard cover over the keyboard! Wow. incredible. I thought I'd gotten rid of them all (I know I made a ton off selling a bunch on ebay!). I certainly don't have any disks left for it, though, or a place to set it up. -Bryce |
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Post by wiskow on Feb 26, 2007 1:23:40 GMT -5
Bryce, Weren't you the one who, at one of the Portland Commodore get-togethers, ripped the protective covering off of a 5.25" floppy disk, just to prove that a disk could still be read without it? I could be confusing you with someone else, though... hehehehe That's great that you found some of your Commodore computers "lying around".  Even if you don't have anywhere to set them up now, you may have room one day, and then you'll have them. -Andrew |
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Post by brotherbryce on Feb 26, 2007 15:55:02 GMT -5
Weren't you the one who, at one of the Portland Commodore get-togethers, ripped the protective covering off of a 5.25" floppy disk, just to prove that a disk could still be read without it? Yup, that'd be me. Pat Young & I decided it'd be fun to prove JUST how hard it was to make a 5.25" disk unreadable. Before we took the cover off it, we spit on the opening, stuck it back in there, and it read fine. Then we stuck pizza sauce on it, wiped most of it off, and stuck it back in there, and it still read fine. We then took the cover off it, lifted the cover off the drive, lined the disk up with the little spindles inside, and it read fine again. Finally, we crumpled the disk, stuck it in Pat's pocket, took it back out and straightened it out on the table, and put it in the drive. ONLY THEN would it not read perfectly. I think we were aiming to dispell all the hubbub there was back then about how "delicate" these disks were. Turns out 3.5" disks, even with their "hard" cases, are much more touchy (I know, I tried it!) Hehe Thanks for bringing back the memory. Were you there when we did that? That was at the Round Table Pizza on 62nd & SE Foster (Portland, folks). I remember how upset Ron Patton was that we were doing that with his beloved 1541. He was off having banter somewhere else at the party, and didn't catch on until we were almost done. -Bryce |
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Post by Jeff Ledger on Feb 26, 2007 21:58:52 GMT -5
[glow=red,2,300]I certainly don't have any disks left for it, though, or a place to set it up.[/glow] Thats alright, when you do get the urge to set it up, you're only a cable and some blank disks away from having a working setup. There's several very nice ways to transfer .d64 to actual disks now. Jeff |
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Post by wiskow on Feb 27, 2007 2:17:28 GMT -5
Thanks for bringing back the memory. Were you there when we did that? That was at the Round Table Pizza on 62nd & SE Foster (Portland, folks). I remember how upset Ron Patton was that we were doing that with his beloved 1541. He was off having banter somewhere else at the party, and didn't catch on until we were almost done. Yup... I was there! And I do remember Ron Patton being pretty upset. Whatever happend to "The General", anyway? And Tom "The Holy One" Seving? Maybe we ought to wait until I get up there to do all this "reminiscing"... hehehehe -Andrew |
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Post by brotherbryce on Feb 28, 2007 1:00:08 GMT -5
Actually, I was compelled to call Tom Seving today, to see how he was doing. Seems he is doing pretty well for himself, all things considered. We took some time to speak some about the Word of God, and some about the past. It took him some moments to remember who I was. I guess time does have that effect. I think it'd been 20 years or more since we'd last spoken.
...I'll refrain from details
-Bryce
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Post by wiskow on Feb 28, 2007 5:36:09 GMT -5
Well, next time you talk to Tom, you might mention that I'm running his "Master's Empire 5.4" on my BBS. :-)
-Andrew
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. It's still the only major distro that doesn't use sysV init, just standard scripts, so it's very hackable.
), they warn you during installation to login as root as little as possible, lest you break something. Which I have done, BTW. So I've been in the habit of using 'su' for a while...
Even if you don't have anywhere to set them up now, you may have room one day, and then you'll have them. 