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Post by Robin Harbron on Sept 10, 2006 12:21:57 GMT -5
Text quoted from www.dspaudio.com/~jaymz/jam.html : I hope this contest produces at least a few high quality games. Maybe the cash and extra recognition will encourage some of the people who keep churning out games of lower quality to put some extra effort in. And maybe some of us lazier types will get going on our projects again
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Post by tomz on Oct 2, 2006 7:35:34 GMT -5
Lets hope this contest produces an actual winner,as I doubt very much the credibility of the original poster of the compo and I also question where the money is coming from?Drug Money can often be disguised as a windfall from an Internet entrepaur. I make one prediction and that is NO ONE PERSON WILL WIN THE $1000 prize.! Having said all that if you are silly enough to loose an original game then I guess thats just the way it is......... Sell your game to a credible software house instead, hey whats wrong with selling your game to Loadstar? (too logical?) tomz
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Post by Robin Harbron on Oct 2, 2006 22:10:25 GMT -5
Lets hope this contest produces an actual winner,as I doubt very much the credibility of the original poster of the compo and I also question where the money is coming from?Drug Money can often be disguised as a windfall from an Internet entrepaur. You doubt Jaymz's credibility? He's got more cred in my book than all but a handful in the scene. As for drug money or whatever, $1000 is hardly such a large amount of money that crime has to be involved. A lot of average people could cough up $1000 for something important to them. You mean you're sure that at least 3 "worthy" games will be entered, so the $600/$300/$100 split will happen? Loose? Do you mean lose? Making a game freeware doesn't mean you lose ownership, if that's what you mean. Nothing's wrong with selling a game to Loadstar, though it's pretty rare that they're able to pay cash nowadays. And who is the credible software house you're talking about? I don't know of any publisher paying up front for C-64 stuff - the best you'll do is a royalty on each sale.
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Post by TMR on Oct 3, 2006 13:17:52 GMT -5
Lets hope this contest produces an actual winner,as I doubt very much the credibility of the original poster of the compo and I also question where the money is coming from? If you're going to question someone's credibility and pretty much accuse them of lying you'd better have one h*** of a reputation. Now, who are you...?
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Post by tomz on Oct 8, 2006 5:46:53 GMT -5
Oh tmr,it seem to me that you're not very well involved with the OZ scene you asked the question who the h*** am I? Im just a nobody C64 enthusiast just like YOU!! How ever between the years 1995 and now I have been the leader of a scene group, main editor in : THE BEERGARDEN(Most issues)/OXSI-64(All issues)/SURVIVOR DISK(All issues)/TIGERDISK#1+#2(English Version) I have also over the years contributed to other mags like AVALON-UK /THE BIG MOTH MAGAZINE-OZ/COMMODORE DOWNNDER and a few scene mags as well.At this time the only products of my group that have been converted are all issues of THE BEERGARDEN and all of Stryyker/TIDE releases, which include music collections,demo collections and various groupstuff. I will convert the other 80% of TIDE stuff eventually. Oh did I mention that OZSI-64 was a cover disk on a cover disk on COMMODORE SCENE by Richard Bowen (I know its been renamed etc etc)I also made a few DOMs for the MCCC (Melbourne Commodore Computer Club) yes and I've done the usual scene thing by writing for mags like ROCK'N ROLE/ARACHNAPHOBIA/DIGITAL TALK/CHAOTIC COUNTRY ETC ETC I have also released a few small demos,mostly basic but not all,one, I seem to recall was a plasma dedication to the last issue of TBM,there were a fair few other things I did for the C64 but like YOU I am a 'nobody!' Just another C64 enthusiast who is mad about the C64 and nothing else.....................................
As to the rest of your questions well its appearant that ROBIN has already asked them in his own way and so I'll answer them next but as for you,well I hope you can find some info about the OZ C64 world because as far as I can tell apart from being able to download one groups products on the Net there still exist 3 OZ groups who are supportive of the C64! If you want to know who they are just PM me and I'll enlighten you,brining you up to date and keeping you informed about whats really happening here downunder when it concerns the C64! (Hope I can help!)
ROBIN your questions were by far the most interesting................
Do I doubt Jamz credibility?? We ermmm YES! I made a public apology to the guy in mistaking his mag for being only avail able in pdf format when it was actually only available in C64 prg format and of course .D64 files. So you are easily impressed by a mag thats been around for under 2 years,what can I say here?? Confusion reigns supreme...............I must also point out that hener answered his PM on Lemon64 and if you can't do a simple thing like that,How reiable are you??? Lets hope he answers the 'Winners of his GAME Compo)
In my experience and involvement with the C64 over the years I have seen too many shysters come and then dissappear from view,sorry if my attitude offends you,but everyone to their own!You can beleive whta you want and so can I !!!!
Alot of average people could cough up $1000 ? Not around here in rural Australia where the main money earner of the house is lucky to end up with about $450-$480 actual cash in their pay pacjkets! And I think you are forgetting the exchange rates mate.
3-Worthy Games,there'll probably be more but as for your $600/$300/$100 your realy should look at that in realistic terms i.e.$300/$150/$50 funny I seem to recall you posting on some C64 board that LOADSTAR used to pay up to that amount for a game and apart from Loadstar there are still organisations like PROTOVISION who deal with new games,just check the NET!
LOOSE or LOSE ,I must apologise for my typo and it was extremely diligent of you to notice........................ho hummmmmm boring boring boring(bright little beaver !!!) All it was was a typo,don't tell me that you're suddenly becoming a Forum-Scener ,Forum-Junkie or worse still an anti-scener?!??
Seriously pal,if the guy was genuine then he would place the moneys with someone of C64 CREDIBILITY,now Im not talking about some scener who joined the scene in 1998 nor am I refering tosomebody who releases a games review mag which would qualify as a single chapter in one of my mags (TBG - 30 chapters)(OZSI64 - 2 disks most issues) Excusme if I don't go AHHHHH weeeeeh like you do,in the C64 world different things interest different people!In my opinion his mag would make a nice chapter in one of our mags(just 4 ur info Im currently working on issue 11 of one of our mags)
As for my comments about CREDIBILITY well all I can add to that is that in the last 15 years I have seen many 'FLY-BY-NIGHTS' come and go and if by chance Jamz(Alih/You and whatever handle you decide to go by??) is 100% on the level then he should deposit the $1000 Australian with them e.g.PROTOVISION/CSDb(The C64 data base guys)Jeff himself or KIM LEMON on his site,thats what Im saying here,if its for real,then he won't mind verifying his credibility by depositing this '$1000' in an account where he doesn't control what happens to the 'PRIZE' This doesn't prevent him for taking part in the judging of the game!
Anyway I hope that answers some of your (out of context)questions,if not jus post it here as I await with rapt anticipation of your reactions......................zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
TMR Sorry that Im not familiar with you but apart from your inate rantings on CSDb I as a mail trader(some called it mega I just called it expensive)I haven't been sent anything that you've done on C64 maybe you could PM me and we could exchange some REAL C64wares.??!!!??!!
I have done other things on C64 its just that this old brain forgets....sorry for this
tomz
THE BEST EMULATOR IS A REAL C64,WHY BOTHER WITH IMITATIONS?
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Post by Golan Klinger on Oct 8, 2006 8:20:48 GMT -5
Tomz,
You seem to have a very negative outlook towards this contest and the person conducting it (Jaymz). Unfortunately your follow-up posting was vague so I'm still not clear as to what the basis for your distrust is or the substance of your argument. You questioned Jaymz's credibility and reputation and when asked to substantiate your comments, you chose to cast aspersions based on innuendo. This is not acceptable in polite company. It would appear that you have some history with Jaymz and perhaps that is clouding your judgement and/or motivating your suspicions. If this is the case and you have something of substance to share, please do so calmly and respectfully. There's no need to adopt a defensive posture when responding to questions in this forum.
I would remind you that this is not Lemon64 or CSDB and the type and tone of discussions that are tolerated in their message forums are net necessarily welcome here. Please try to keep things civil and on-topic.
Thank you for your cooperation.
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Post by Robin Harbron on Oct 8, 2006 8:38:27 GMT -5
So you are easily impressed by a mag thats been around for under 2 years,what can I say here?? Confusion reigns supreme............... 32 monthly issues works out to closer to three years, and yes, that impresses me. Not just the quantity of issues, but the focus on new gaming and his overall message of raising the standard of modern C64 games is a good one - it's something I want to hear. Your one PM to me on lemon didn't ask any questions, so I don't understand what there was to answer? You're getting a little excited here. I never said your attitude offends me, but you certainly seem to be offended by my opinion. It's $1000 AU, so I don't see what exchange rates have to do with it. And perhaps folks in rural Australia aren't exactly average (not that there's anything wrong with that). Give your head a shake. Loadstar *doesn't* pay that amount any more, and PROTOVISION *doesn't* pay up front for games. This is *exactly* my point. I honestly can't understand what you're trying to say sometimes, and I did my best to figure it out. ?? re: Jaymz needing to hand over the money, I can't say I agree. It's his own business, and people are always innocent until proven guilty in my books. re: tmr's credibility, sorry to say it but I'm much more familiar with his work than with yours. I've played many of his games, read his articles on programming, and watched some of his demo parts.
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Post by TMR on Oct 14, 2006 6:24:24 GMT -5
Oh tmr,it seem to me that you're not very well involved with the OZ scene you asked the question who the h*** am I? Lets see... i hang around on IRC with members of Chrome and Onslaught, was a member of the latter for several years and contributed to Vandalism News and code for Domination in that time, have done a co-op with Stryyker/Tide (i'm sure he can vouch for me)... yes, i'd say my knowledge of the OZ scene was pretty solid. Yours obviously isn't if you don't even know which crews your own has co-released with and, come to think of it, ALiH is the sole producer of Game Over(View) so that's an OZ scene production but you didn't know about that either. If this kind of "knowledge" is a way to prove credibility, you've shot your own full of holes. Snipping most of the ego, but... Oh did I mention that OZSI-64 was a cover disk on a cover disk on COMMODORE SCENE by Richard Bowen ...and i submitted a game for the covermount of Commodore Format (as in the Future Publishing one, the commercially produced international magazine yeah?) so in the Top Trumps of sceners, T.M.R for teh win!!!1one [/sarcasm] Check my CSDb profile, 62 releases (there are a few missing entries that i'll have to add) over a nineteen year scene career with the most recent being last week and the next tomorrow compared to your twenty credits over a mere eleven years and the last release in 2004. Doesn't that make you a forum scener? And i've merely pointed this much out because you spent multiple paragraphs waving your scene willy around, if i wanted to wave my own willy more i certainly could do but that's not what i do. TMR Sorry that Im not familiar with you but apart from your inate rantings on CSDb Well, since "inate" isn't a word and i'm unsure as to wheter you meant "inane" (which would be an insult, assuming i cared what you thought) or "innate" which... well, to be honest wouldn't make sense in context because it means that i was either there from the inception of the CSDb or a major part of it's essential character and neither is true. You still haven't given me a reason why your opinion of ALiH should mean a thing. If scene history means anything, mine is bigger than yours (oh the irony that i can't be arsed to explain right now) and i'll vouch for ALiH.
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Post by Robin Harbron on Jan 27, 2007 19:21:13 GMT -5
Well, the site has been updated with a total of 5 entries, and though the deadline has passed, it looks like they're still willing to accept new entries for a short while. It sounds like two more already have been... www.dspaudio.com/~jaymz/jam.htmlSome of the games are really great, and as interested as I am to find out who the winner is, what I *really* want to know is who has more credibility: Jaymz or tomz? It will soon be revealed...
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Post by Golan Klinger on Jan 27, 2007 20:30:32 GMT -5
The quality of the entries is astounding. My first place pick is Bomberman which, while not an original idea, it's really well executed. Green Runner is also derivative (reminds me of Centipede) and yet quite slick and playable. The most original idea is definitely Beam. It isn't as flashy but it's very challenging. All great games and all worth playing. I showed Green Runner at last month's TPUG meeting and some people were surprised to hear that new games were being release and shocked and impressed by the quality. Next month will be Bomberman and Beam the month after that. I can't wait to see the looks on their faces.
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Post by MadModder on Jan 31, 2007 14:07:20 GMT -5
It all worked on my DTV but bomberman, which I think at least looks most promising. I played a flash game quite a while ago on some site, and it is exactly as beam. IMHO, bomberman is without doubt the best. (had to use VICE)Second is green runner. Then I don't know. Oh the memories... I remember playing Master Blaster on my Amiga with my best friend. It's a multiplayer bomberman clone, and a really good one. Everytime he visited, we could play it for hours.
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Post by Golan Klinger on Feb 4, 2007 20:45:53 GMT -5
I have to apologize in advance for taking us off-topic because the game I'm about tell you about wasn't (or has yet to be) entered in the Freestyle Game Jam. It's still worthy of a mention though. It's called QGame and it's a simple but vexing Sokoban-like puzzler that is superbly done. I am going to lose a lot of time playing this one. If it was in the Jam, it would be in the running for a prize.
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Post by Robin Harbron on Feb 24, 2007 0:44:20 GMT -5
Winners have been announced: www.artificial-stupidity.net/gameoverview/jam.htmlCongratulations folks, great work! It's really nice to see such high quality new releases. A second compo will be starting right away, running from March 1st to June 1st, 2007. This time they'll attempt to do a proper commercial release for the winners, hoping that sales of the games will offset the cost of the prizes. I guess the drug money has run out...
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