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Post by David Murray on Mar 26, 2007 15:31:48 GMT -5
I was just thinking the other day after I saw a hack somebody did (it was on one of these forums, I think) to add a composite video in to a black and white television. Well, it got me wondering if it might be possible to take a 13" TV that has only composite input and convert that to S-Video, or maybe even RGB. After all, the signal has to become an analog RGB signal at some point before it hits the actual tube.
It actually irritates the crap out of me that you cannot buy a 13" television with an s-video or component input, unless you go with an LCD television. But for a CRT all you can get is composite and these days that composite connector is only available on the front of the television, not the rear.
I was wondering if I might be able to mod one to get better picture quality with my DTV and my Amiga systems.
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Post by Golan Klinger on Mar 26, 2007 16:56:10 GMT -5
It actually irritates the crap out of me that you cannot buy a 13" television with an s-video or component input, unless you go with an LCD television. It is a tremendously weird coincidence that you would bring this up because just yesterday I went on a little buying spree and bought two of these and one of these. $133 a pop for the 13" models and $200 for the 20". Best money I've spent in ages. They should handle my retro computing needs for a long, long time. The picture quality is excellent. In fact, I would say the picture is superior to the Commodore 1902A I have sitting beside me (time to sell that puppy). I'm looking forward to getting one of the Neobitz boards you discovered (I can't thank you enough for that one) so I can hook an Amiga 1200 up to the 20" through the component video inputs. The Svideo ports will be used for the VIC-20, 64 and of course, a hacked DTV.
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Post by huckle on Mar 26, 2007 17:43:08 GMT -5
I can definitely recommend an LCD TV for use with the Amiga.. I bought an LG M1717A-BZ. It has RGB through the scart and a separate S-Video connector, so good for both the C64 and Amiga. The best thing though, is because it has a built in de-interlacer/scan doubler interlace modes on the Amiga are completely stable with no flicker.
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Post by David Murray on Mar 26, 2007 18:42:55 GMT -5
It is a tremendously weird coincidence that you would bring this up because just yesterday I went on a little buying spree and bought two of these and one of these. $133 a pop for the 13" models and $200 for the 20". Best money I've spent in ages. They should handle my retro computing Those are nice, and I'm sure they will work well. But for that price, personally, I'd prefer to go with an LCD. Wal-Mart sells brand-new LCD televisions for right around $199, and you can get them used off of ebay for $150 or less. I don't think the Vic-20 does S-video.. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it is composite only. Although I've wondered if it could be hacked for S-video. Not that it matters considering how large the pixels are on that machine. Huckle, I can tell you without even looking it up that this model will not be available in North America.. We do not have SCART, on anything. I've never even heard of SCART until just a few years ago when I started chatting on the internet about stuff like this. The best I could hope for is to find one with component YPbPr.
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Post by Golan Klinger on Mar 26, 2007 23:43:50 GMT -5
Those are nice, and I'm sure they will work well. But for that price, personally, I'd prefer to go with an LCD. Wal-Mart sells brand-new LCD televisions for right around $199, and you can get them used off of ebay for $150 or less. I should have mentioned that those prices are in Canadian dollars and our dollar is worth about $0.85 U.S. so the prices would be more like $114 and $172 respectively. I have a very high quality LCD monitor/TV (it has component, Svideo, composite and VGA inputs) and honestly, I prefer the picture on the CRTs when using retro computers. The LCD is very sharp (naturally) but at lower resolutions, the CRT's image seems better somehow. It is highly subjective and all that matters is that people are happy with what they have. I just wanted you to know that there are 13" and 20" CRT TVs with Svideo and component inputs). And yeah, the VIC-20 connects via composite. I should have been more specific.
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Post by MadModder on Mar 27, 2007 6:47:21 GMT -5
LCDs these days have higher resolutions than retro computers and stuff, and the pixels doesn't hit "right on" so it gets all blurry when the LCD electronics have to calculate half pixels and alter the color of three pixels so the average color on those are the same as two from the computer. CRTs are already blurry from the beginning, and the pixel mismatch on the masking grid inside doesn't show. You know.
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