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Post by Muddawg on Sept 22, 2005 0:40:19 GMT -5
hye there i hafe a 64 with a qlink disk and a moem but i don t have a serial card. id like to try qlink on VICE, but i dont have a dialup modem...although i havea boradband connection...can i still gt on Qlink?
email me at muddawg4 at hotmail.com if u reply...
thanks
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Post by Jeff Ledger on Sept 22, 2005 11:43:35 GMT -5
No modem at this point. If you want to use a real C64, I recommend building/buying an RS232 interface to connect your 64 to your PC. Refer to www.quantum-link.org (pic) and the sticky thread in this forum regarding interfaces. jeff
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Post by Cloister Maximus III on Sept 22, 2005 12:44:12 GMT -5
I know what Muddawg is sort of wanting to do and I'm think the same thing myself. Currently I'm stuck on part one of my crazy idea, but in THEORY it should work. An Idea to Connect to Q-Link using a real (1670) c64 modem: 1) Connect the commodore modem to a modem in a network connected PC/Mac (I'm using a Mac) via a standard phone cord connecting the two modems. -- One problem I think I may be running into is that two modems connected directly to one another may require the voltage that is provided normally by the phone company. I found a solution here (http://www.jagshouse.com/modem.html) I know this should work because I've done it before. Why it's not working at the moment I think is because the modem in my mac requires the power, while the last modem I used to do this didn't. 2) To establish a connection between the modems, make the commodore modem "blind dial" (atx0) and just atdt to any number. On the networked computer side, pop open a terminal and issue an ata. This should make the two modems connect. 3) Take a copy of TCPSER4j and modify the config to use /dev/modem (or COM1 or wherever your modem is at). Theoretically, TCPSER should be able to use the modem like any other serial device (read: rs232 connection) and serve up a connection to Jim's qlink server. (BTW, here is URL on doing this under a mac: sysadminforum.com/tnn303671.html)Keep in mind I haven't gotten this to work yet. But I think the theory is sound. Anybody have any thoughts on this idea? And I don't want to hear "It can't be done." Sure it can. Q-link has been reverse engineered--the end times are here. -Cm3
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Post by Cloister Maximus III on Sept 22, 2005 14:40:35 GMT -5
UPDATE:
I just went home on lunch armed with some tools. after much fooling around, I cut a phone cable in half, connected the green to red, and the other green to red to the + and - polls of a 9v battery. ata on the mac side, atd on the 64 side.
CONNECT 1200
Didn't have time to mess around, but it looks like hurdle #1 is conquered. To connect two modems together, you DO need to provide some voltage the is normally found in a phone line for it to work. When I get home I'll try steps 2 &3.
This could be a nice easy way for people like me to get on with their 64s without buying any extra hardware (You all kept your 64 modems, right?)
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Post by Leif Bloomquist on Sept 22, 2005 16:01:26 GMT -5
I'm occasionally tempted to set up a 900 number for people who insist on using modems on their C64s to call out. It could be attached to a modem on a serial port on my Linux box, with tcpser ready and waiting. Then you'd have the full experience, long distance/service charges and all.
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Post by henrik51 on Sept 22, 2005 19:27:09 GMT -5
How much does an X.25 circuit from Sprintnet cost? Do they even still exist?
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Post by henrik51 on Sept 22, 2005 19:40:55 GMT -5
Actually, Sprintlink closed at the end of 2002. Creepy.
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Post by Jim Brain on Sept 22, 2005 20:57:13 GMT -5
I3) Take a copy of TCPSER4j and modify the config to use /dev/modem (or COM1 or wherever your modem is at). Theoretically, TCPSER should be able to use the modem like any other serial device (read: rs232 connection) and serve up a connection to Jim's qlink server. tcpser4j already supports real RS232 ports. Grab the original archive and look at the config.xml file in there.
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Post by Cloister Maximus III on Sept 23, 2005 11:10:39 GMT -5
Well, last night I got TCPSER4j up and running on my mac, and successfully got online to a couple of BBS's via the modem to modem trick. However, when I tried to get on q-link, it hung after making about 5-6 dashes (" - "). I could see a bunch of stuff passing from the qlink dev server and my 64 in the term window, but then the communication hung up.
Soooo, I have no idea if this has anything to do with my modem to modem connection, or if it's something about using TCPSER4j on the mac that is causing all the trouble. Tonight I'll dump a log of what takes place. Maybe you can look at the log and gleam what is going wrong Jim?
Anybody here have any luck using TCPSER4j on a mac and getting on q-link via traditional methods (swiftlink to rs232)? I might go pick up a crap modem for my windows box and try that to see if I can rule out my mac as the cause of the problem.
Once again, however, I *am* able to dial into telenetable BBS's with this setup, so I know it's "working".
-Sir Cloister Maximus III, Esq.
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