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Post by David Murray on Mar 6, 2007 20:52:28 GMT -5
No. No quantitative data. Just 31 years of personal experience with not a single exception to the rule. So either I'm right, or I've just been exceptionally unfortunate to have never met a person who looks like this who was brilliant, kind, and hard-working.
To be honest, I'm surprised to see so much diversity of opinion on this matter on this forum. Considering that most of us on here are above average intelligence for society.
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Post by Golan Klinger on Mar 6, 2007 22:28:58 GMT -5
I could make an equally offensive and ill-informed generalization that people who come from small towns are ignorant yokels with narrow, provincial views and pedestrian tastes but I wouldn't want to offend anyone, especially the aforementioned yokels.
Yes, this is the General Board and it does say "You can talk about anything here" which I always understood to mean anything that was somewhat related to this forum (and the larger PETSCII site in general) and not covered by the other message boards. Clearly I was labouring under a gross misconception. So, what shall we discuss next? Religion? Politics? Won't this be fun and not at all divisive!
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Post by Jeff Ledger on Mar 6, 2007 22:48:31 GMT -5
tap.. tap.. tap..
Guys, this thread is looming dangerously close to becoming a flame war, which is well outside the boundaries set in the Guidelines for these forums.
General has been created for open discussion, differences of opinion are to be expected, but let's all agree to maintain a civil tone. Civil behavior allows for expression of difference of opinion without standing on the neck of another.
Thank You The Moderator
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Post by Golan Klinger on Mar 6, 2007 22:56:30 GMT -5
To be honest, I'm surprised to see so much diversity of opinion on this matter on this forum. Considering that most of us on here are above average intelligence for society. Implying that all those of us with above average intelligence should agree with your narrow-minded conclusions? My opinion of you has gone down considerably as a result of this thread.
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Post by Golan Klinger on Mar 6, 2007 23:01:50 GMT -5
Actually, one other thing. I have family in Texas (as David knows) and I can assure everyone that not everyone in Texas would agree with David's generalizations. My Mother, for example, firmly believes that people shouldn't judge lest they be judged. Seems like that is *exactly* what has happened here.
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Post by thurstan on Mar 7, 2007 5:34:33 GMT -5
People do get addicted to piercings and body art and people love to make statements and shock people.
Sure if that chap wanted to go for an office based job then he would most certainly not get the job! But I imagine (if he does work) that it would be in some alternative job e.g. tattooist, body piercer, DJ, artistic performer etc.
Whether you think it looks nice or not is personal choice, but it can be hard to not make a snap judgement!
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Post by expertsetup on Mar 7, 2007 5:55:09 GMT -5
Now that's something I can agree with.
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Post by David Murray on Mar 7, 2007 9:03:31 GMT -5
Actually, one other thing. I have family in Texas (as David knows) and I can assure everyone that not everyone in Texas would agree with David's generalizations. My Mother, for example, firmly believes that people shouldn't judge lest they be judged. Seems like that is *exactly* what has happened here. As i can see Jeff Ledger's finger hoovering over the delete button, I'll refrain from saying some things that come to mind here.. But I will say this. I consider myself a very tolerant person when it comes to things racial. For example, I never judge somebody by the color of their skin or their religious heritage. But I do judge somebody by their behavior. For example, the fact that somebody is black does not bother me in the least. However, when I'm trying to sleep and it is 3:00am and somebody drives through my neigborhood in a modified low-rider with the rap music playing so loudly that the pictures on my wall rattle and my windows seem like the may break at any moment, and my daughter wakes up screaming thinking there is a monster outside.. I usually have a few choice words for those people. When I used to work at the electronics store and these guys come into the store wearing clothes that look like gang clothes, and the crotch of their pants is between their knees, and they are cursing loudly in conversation as they walk into the store. Their buddy is out in the parking lot with the previously mentioned vehicle which is threatening to break the glass of the store with the loud thumping noises. They bring in their "equipment" to sell, which is obviously stolen. Then they cuss me out when I refuse to buy things with serial numbers scratched off or car stereos with all the wires cut off the back. These behaviors tend to make me judge a person as being less than civilized. Do I judge all black people for this? No. Of course, not, that would be silly. But I judge these people by their behavior. I also judge white people by their behavior too. And it just so happens that from personal experience, those with piercings like this (I'm not talking about pierced ears here) have always been people I associate with bad behavior. You might think that personal experience is irrelivant. However, when I say that I've never seen a grasshopper speak to me, I mean it. And when I say I've never seen a person with facial piercings that did not ALSO exhibit bad social behavior, I mean it. Yes. I admit the possibility that a wonderful person might decide to go get a face full of piercings. Sure, mathmatically speaking that is possible. But I've never seen it. Golan, I had the utmost respect for you. Even when we were disagreeing, I still had respect for you. Now, if you like body piercing.. great. I invite you to be the person who changes my mind about this. I don't ask for much. Just give me an example of a single person who has facial piercings (maybe it is you, who knows) and exhibits good behavior on a consistant basis (nobody is perfect, but at least a clean criminal record and lack of illegal drug use would be a good start) I'm very open minded, despite what you might think. So if you are right, it shouldn't be very difficult at all to proove me wrong. By the way, both Canada and USA have freedom of speech laws. Which means we are all entitled to our opinion. Remember that opinions are usually based on life experiences, so it is hard to generalize and say that somebody's opinion is right or wrong. However, sometimes opinions can be changed with additional information. But flame wars, so common on the internet, usually don't achieve anything other than more division.
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Post by gmoon on Mar 7, 2007 9:20:59 GMT -5
For example, the fact that somebody is black does not bother me in the least. However, when I'm trying to sleep and it is 3:00am and somebody drives through my neigborhood in a modified low-rider with the rap music playing so loudly that the pictures on my wall rattle and my windows seem like the may break at any moment, and my daughter wakes up screaming thinking there is a monster outside.. I usually have a few choice words for those people. When I used to work at the electronics store and these guys come into the store wearing clothes that look like gang clothes, and the crotch of their pants is between their knees, and they are cursing loudly in conversation as they walk into the store. Their buddy is out in the parking lot with the previously mentioned vehicle which is threatening to break the glass of the store with the loud thumping noises. They bring in their "equipment" to sell, which is obviously stolen. Then they cuss me out when I refuse to buy things with serial numbers scratched off or car stereos with all the wires cut off the back. These behaviors tend to make me judge a person as being less than civilized. Do I judge all black people for this? No. Of course, not, that would be silly. But I judge these people by their behavior. Gotta chime in here. David, I'm a little disturbed that you separate this and consider it 'black' behavior. Why would you assume a non-white is the source of loud music? And I won't get into 'statistical averages by race,' but I'm sure that there are numerically many more white thieves & criminals in the US than black offenders. Certainly, there are more white crank addicts than non-white. Granted, someone with excessive tats and piercings probably isn't on the 'corporate fast track,' but that's probably not their goal. And sometimes it's hard not shake you head at someone's naiveté when they think they won't encounter prejudice in the workplace, with a display like that...
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Post by David Murray on Mar 7, 2007 11:46:14 GMT -5
I'm not. re-reading what I said, I can see how you would possibly have gotten that impression. No, whites do this too, although admitidly, I see it more in blacks.
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Post by MadModder on Mar 7, 2007 14:33:27 GMT -5
My experience is too that people heavily modded ;D generally have ill behaviour.
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Post by thurstan on Mar 8, 2007 13:14:03 GMT -5
my wife to be has a facial piercing. okay its a tiny nose piercing that you can hardly see. she also has her tongue and belly button pierced, but you cant see those either.
i think the problem is people with lots of tatts and piercings can look quite aggressive and thus many people perceive them to be aggressive even if they are not. I got a small chinese tattoo few years back and my mum locked herself in the toilet crying! years later she agrees that it looks nice!
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Post by thurstan on Mar 8, 2007 13:14:58 GMT -5
My experience is too that people heavily modded ;D generally have ill behaviour. all your machines and hacks must be really badly behaved then!
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Post by MadModder on Mar 8, 2007 14:42:49 GMT -5
Well, some of them actually don't behave very well... ;D
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