Yes, that does help to draw a line of distinction between the two. Way back when I used to create songs on the 64 using Future Composer version 4, where although you had complete control over the sound - it was not 'easy' per say to learn. I remember creating blocks of notes for a set duration using a given instrument in a particular key and then 'looping' those blocks together to make the song complete. (I dare say) I made a few decent sounding tunes, and was eventually quite comfortable doing so. But writing music and hacking dongles is (or perhaps seems) as far and wide apart as one may venture...
I'll post the disks if anyone wants to take a stab at it... I never did get a chance to do any ML programming although I always wanted to learn. One of my demo-coding friends was going to teach me some things but never got around to it. Tell me, (this question makes glaringly obvious my ignorance on the subject) - What's the difference between Assembly and Machine Language?
I'm an original owner of C-Net v12.0, DS-2 and New Image BBS'. I have the original media and dongle, but I've been looking for an image of the DS-2 media for awhile... my disk has been run through the ringer and does not have 100% of the files in tact.
If someone can send me images of the media, I will see about getting a functional system out of it.
Better yet, if someone has a copy where the dongle protection has been removed that would be just about the best.
C-Net 128 used a joystick dongle as well. Actually, it used the paddle pins to measure the value of 1 or 2 resistors, if the value was within a certain range, the ML kept going. I used to have the docs on how to make this dongle, I am sure they used the same pins on DS2, but probably different values so one couldnt use the same dongle. Seems like you'd have to use those pins. I remember the C-Net 128 dongle needing 2 parts, 1 resistor, but for the life of me I can not remember the value or the second part.. Was it a jumper to one of the joystick pins .. I just don't remember. But I had the TXT file on how to make them and I used to make them (for backup purposes! ) had the parts bounching around my desk drawer for 20 years, found what I think was one of the resistors, but my attempt to recreate it failed.
I asked Eric if he had knowledge on the Dongle for 128, but since those routines have been removed from the ML (not even sure who did it), I doubt he has any information. Seems like Selleck would know about the dongle though.
Nevertheless, couldn't one trace the code and modify the dongle check to just RTS or whatever you call it in ML/Assembly? Seems like change a byte or two - just which one! hehe What do I know.
Also seems like Selleck could remove the code on his own?? Who put it in ??
Well, after a couple of emails with Jim, I'm starting to have serious doubts that DS2 will be seen in operation again unless someone else out there has a [Full] copy of it in their basement or attic. He's not even sure HE has a copy of the program, and if he does, it may be so well burried that light of day will not shine upon it again. Speaking with him also reminded me of one other important detail pertaining to his software and the fact that it had never worked right for me: I had a copy, more specifically - an 'illegal' copy - of the software but the reason it did not work was not because of a [bad] copy but because the original software only works when you have a special Dongle attached to one of your joystick ports! I knew this at the time, but had long since forgotten about it until he mentioned removing the dongle routines from the program. So in short, even if I DID have a full set of disks and files, A: It would not run in an emulator, and B: It wouldn't even run on real hardware unless one of these Dongles could be found.
Another lifelong dream incurs a serious stab wound...
I know that this is a very old post, but I was doing a quick Google search when it came up first. I happen to own an original set of floppies of DS-2 v2.5 and I have images that I just made of them. I'll gladly share them if there is still interest. I also found a copy of v11.6 as well. Feel free to let me know and the best place to host them on. :-)
So I was not familiar with that website, but I was able to make an account and then I uploaded all of the DS-2 disk images. I then highlighted all of the images and chose to Quick Publish them to the BBS subfolder in the public root directory. I uploaded copies of DS-][ v11.6 and CNet 64 DS-2 v2.5.
I know someone previously had mentioned needing a dongle to make this software work. I bought a local SysOp's entire BBS from him back in 1993, and that is how I got this software. I used it in the past and it never needed a dongle, so it should be good to go. I hope this helps everyone out and that others are able to get some enjoyment from it. One day, when I finally get some free time, I am going to setup my BBS again online.