TMR
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Post by TMR on Mar 19, 2007 5:10:58 GMT -5
Oh for... bye for a few days everyone, i'll be back if this thread ever stops.
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Post by gmoon on Mar 19, 2007 6:25:36 GMT -5
Oh for... bye for a few days everyone, i'll be back if this thread ever stops. I second that... @ Bryce (this comment is coming from a Christian, BTW...) This is circular logic: You're using the Bible to prove the existence of God. I personally can't abide Creationists (or Bible literalists) myself. By attempting to scientifically prove the existence of God, they seek to remove the most fundamental component of faith: faith itself. If God wished that faith and spirituality be replaced with proofs, he could tattoo the evidence on your retina, or write it in the sky. Pray that no such proof exists. Name one 'certainty' in life you don't take for granted....
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Post by MadModder on Mar 19, 2007 8:39:11 GMT -5
If God only created Adam (and Eve, or whoever), did these two humans make the rest? Did they ever have a daughter? Looks to me Eve would have been quite busy...
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Post by brotherbryce on Mar 19, 2007 9:08:14 GMT -5
This is circular logic: You're using the Bible to prove the existence of God. Ah, but God cannot be proven with the Bible. God is only PROVEN when He chooses to reveal Himself. Otherwise you are forced to live with just the faith that He is there. That is why the Jews wanted a king instead of God. In the beginning Israel was a Theocracy, with its only ruling king being God Himself. Then the people cried out to Samuel, because they wanted a king that was like the kings of other nations -- one you can see and touch. The Bible does not serve the purpose of proving God. It does serve the purpose of telling God's truth. It is unashamed, unabashed, and unfaltering. But without faith, it becomes meaningless. Myself, I really never had that much faith to begin with. If I had more faith, I might not have needed God to show Himself the way He did for me. But now that I've seen His works firsthand, I can't just un-remember it. It's only now, after He's manifested Himself in a variety of obvious ways, that I follow Him. I wasn't brainwashed into believing in God. When God came to me, I was living out in the world, doing what I pleased, getting into all kinds of trouble, and didn't own a Bible. In fact, I didn't own one until about 2-3 years later, that's how hard-headed I was. But I knew he existed. -BrotherBryce
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Post by gmoon on Mar 19, 2007 9:26:32 GMT -5
Bryce--what you're describing IS faith. You didn't have it; then you found it (or it found you...)
Rationalize, rename, repackage, redefine. It's still a matter of faith.
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Post by David Murray on Mar 19, 2007 10:17:40 GMT -5
Faith in something isn't that hard to come by. Even hard-core atheists have faith. After all, they have no positive proof that life came from non-life by accident. Yet, still they believe it because the alternative is to believe something they don't want to accept: God.
Others have faith in bizzare things like UFOs, tarrot cards, or palm readers. Yet, there are people out there who actually never spend the slightest amount of time considering anything outside of their own puny lives. Those are the ones whos attitude I have a hard time coping with. I respect somebody who has thought long and hard about it and decides they don't believe in God. It isn't what I believe, but I respect their decision. Yet a person who never even thinks or cares about it, and just lives their life out in total bliss it just incomprehensible to me.
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Post by brotherbryce on Mar 19, 2007 10:17:42 GMT -5
gmoon: Good, so then we don't disagree on anything -BrotherBryce
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